Two Teens Shot on BART Path in El Cerrito

Two teenaged males were wounded, one seriously, shortly before 2 p.m. today, Wednesday, when they were shot by two other young males on the BART path near Fairmont Elementary School and the El Cerrito Library, police said. The two assailants escaped.

Two Albany High School students were shot by two other other young men on the BART path near El Cerrito Library shortly before 2 p.m. today, Wednesday, according to El Cerrito police.

One victim was "seriously" injured while the other's injuries were "superficial," said Capt. Mike Regan. Paramedics were not sure how severely wounded the more seriously injured youth was, he said.

The shooting occurred on the BART path, also known as the Ohlone Greenway, between Stockton and Lincoln avenues. An officer at the scene placed the location about 100 yards south of Stockton, near where Eureka Avenue dead-ends at the greenway.

Fairmont Elementary School was locked down for 30 minutes and the high school for just over an hour, police said. Stockton Avenue also was closed for several hours at the BART path, and a long stretch of path was closed as well.

Read the message from Albany High School's principal about the shootings. 

A parent of a student at Fairmont reported that her daughter was crying in fear after hearing the shots.

The two assailants in black hooded sweatshirts were both believed to have been shooters and escaped, fleeing east on foot on Stockton, police said. They were described as young African-American males in dark clothing, Regan said.

Anyone with information is asked to contact El Cerrito police at 510-237-3233.

Timothy Clark January 24, 2013 at 06:04 PM
Sad Tim When I was a youth in the East Bay in the 50’s there was always the fear of getting beat up or knifed. Fists, chains and knives have been replaced with guns (kind of leveling the playing field for the small guy). I’m against gun ownership myself but I can see that guns are here to stay. Their use will undoubtedly increase. All these pro-gun and anti-gun “arguments” assume that the problem of guns and violence is solvable. It’s not. We’ll see more and more kids and adults get killed. Ironically, it’s one price we pay for “freedom.” We can take the “chance” when going outdoors or shut ourselves indoors with bars on the windows and big locks on the doors. Freedom?
Craig Westbrooke January 24, 2013 at 06:23 PM
I still can't figure out why people still walk or hang around on the Bart tracks anywhere past Cougar Field. It's like you are asking for trouble if you spend any time there.
Robert Smith January 24, 2013 at 06:25 PM
Cmon...Scalia is clearly not a smart and fair supreme court justice.
Tim January 24, 2013 at 06:26 PM
Susan, I'm so sorry to hear this happened to your nephew. My thoughts are with you and I hope he recovers quickly -- though doubtless the mental recovery will be a long one. For most of the rest of you I have to say that I'm pretty amazed that you've turned this into a debate on gun rights without thinking of the impact this incident has had and will have on your neighbors' sense of safety and security. Where is the sympathy and concern for the victims? There were some comments about coming together to claim the greenway, but those community sentiments are almost totally drowned out by all-to-familiar polemic. Is this not an opportunity to find common ground?
Analisa Harangozo (Editor) January 24, 2013 at 06:40 PM
Will this incident impact how safe you feel along Ohlone Greenway? Join the conversation here: http://patch.com/A-1vyf
Analisa Harangozo (Editor) January 24, 2013 at 06:49 PM
Followup stories can be found here: Teen Who Was Shot on BART Path in Surgery - http://patch.com/A-1vy4 Teens Shot In El Cerrito Wednesday Are Albany High School Students - http://patch.com/A-1vQH
Patrick January 24, 2013 at 06:59 PM
first off, no one is going to ban guns. No one is going to amend the second amendment, either. There's no way the amount of states necessary to do so would ever approve of the amendment. Thirdly, I think we need to be more concerned with the amount of gun violence in our country than of protecting ourselves from imaginary commies and nazis. We have tens of thousands of shootings a year, but the moment a politician says that it might be a problem, people start screaming that the oppressive government is trying to take their freedom. Freedom of what? to get shot by a vigilante? To get shot by a kid with a stolen gun? To have to live like you are in a war zone, afraid of your neighbors? I live near the scene of the crime. I'm not going to stop walking on the greenway. You can't live in fear. There's a greater chance of being hit by a car on central or san pablo.
Dulce Elle January 24, 2013 at 07:16 PM
The problem here is that everyone would find a great deal of comfort in finding the one true cause for gun violence and eliminating it. The truth is that it's not just the media, it's not just the government "allowing" guns to being unlawfully placed in the hands of criminals who have no future, or the hours and hours of mindless mainstream media/video games our kids are bombarded with, and it most certainly isn't all dumbed down to "gang-affiliated" violence. It's all of it. The problem with the majority American mentality is that we think placing blame is going to fix the problem. No red-blooded American really wants to take ownership for contributing to the problem...
Christopher Kuhi January 24, 2013 at 07:33 PM
So, I have to wonder why are those ECPD cops not patrolling the BART path?
Lynn M January 24, 2013 at 09:17 PM
The problem is in the heart of mankind. We are spiritually sick. Three teenage boys, walking in broad daylight are robbed, 2 shot, one seriously - in the back. Nice culture! Do you see that if it's not a gun, it will be a knife, or a bat or...? We must have a true change of heart. God help us.
muchbrowsin' syndrome January 24, 2013 at 09:55 PM
In neighborhoods where its not uncommon for folks to have guns ahemnotcalifornia* the mindset of this godlike power in your pants (or boot, armsling, etc.) Becomes much less unbalanced. To live in richmond and oakland and deny the gangs(illegal drug merchants)ters dynasties as a big source for the mentality of con-gun-games is just a way to keep your head down. Freedom should be about a level playing field, and when legal drugs are prescribed to our law abiding, most-likely unarmed citizens; but they happen to be more likely to scar your mind than (not just) the paranoid stigma of prohibited drugs, it seems a black market has created violence, which will have us punish weapon dealers, i dare say, through metropolitan dreams of utopia which most have brought us to believe is possible with just a little less freedom, little by little, just keeping it reasonable, not abusing sensationalism, using common sense(only slightly skewed), and looking to the examples all around us. I see fear.
Susan January 24, 2013 at 11:01 PM
it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that those paths are dangerous! there are very few lights and they are ISOLATED. No one can see you or hear you. When I occasionally HAVE to walk from bart after dark, I take San Pablo Avenue.
Patrick January 24, 2013 at 11:44 PM
Good point, Tim (speaking as someone who contributed to the polemic). Does anyone know the remodeling of the Ohlone greenway underway is addressing the safety issues?
John Stashik January 25, 2013 at 12:04 AM
In this case, loser parents could be a major cause.
Alvin Mabuhay January 25, 2013 at 12:08 AM
Christian, no easy solution, just stating facts. If you find the truth as incendiary, then you can never find a solution. You take a valid, honest and factual point and take it to the absurd to try to make a point, rather than admit the obvious. I take the law enforcement perspective-arrest the suspects, file a strong case, achieve a conviction and hope that our liberal courts/parole/probation don't fail us.
Alvin Mabuhay January 25, 2013 at 12:13 AM
Thank you Lobs Loca!
Alvin Mabuhay January 25, 2013 at 12:15 AM
Hey Robert, even his adversaries recognize Scalia's keen intellect. He is one of the true scholars on the court. Simply disagreeing with him is weak ammo for your claim.
Alvin Mabuhay January 25, 2013 at 12:17 AM
Old Mr. Mac...pretty sure he was talking about the "suspects".
Alvin Mabuhay January 25, 2013 at 12:19 AM
The cops do patrol them, but it's not 24/7.
Alvin Mabuhay January 25, 2013 at 12:23 AM
I see things clearly. Enjoy your filters Tom. So typical when people have NOTHING of substance to add, so they play the race card. You got anything else to share Tom?
Christian Roman January 25, 2013 at 12:51 AM
Alvin, the only fact you stated was "Suspects: 2 black males". By adding the incendiary tag "what a surprise!" you are sarcastically insinuating, and then further with a later comment, that "a huge majority of crimes that occur in El Cerrito" are perpetrated by black males. With nothing to back up that statement other than your own perception. Are you on the El Cerrito Police force? Have you done a study of crime statistics in El Cerrito? It's racist because you are labeling an entire race as criminal based solely on their skin color. You're not saying "2 impoverished and disenfranchised males", you aren't attributing their being suspects because of their place in society, their background, anything other than the color of their skin. That makes it a racist comment. And you've also avoided the point of my post- you continue to point out problems ("black males are committing crimes" or "liberal courts failing us"), and yet seem to have no interest in addressing the problem but in fact just let law enforcement fix the symptoms and then complaining about it on the internet. How effective.
Larry Chill McGill January 25, 2013 at 01:26 AM
@Kellen: I ask you to consider how drug users get their fixes.. This country cant stop unauthorized people and drugs from sneaking in, so what makes you think there isnt a criminal market for firearms? To answer your question as bluntly as possible: the street. I assume these jokers that were doing the shooting were younger than 21, not old enough to buy a handgun legally... makes you go hmmmmm... At what point did I suggest that criminals should be given guns? Luckily I don't drink milk, because it certainly would have gone out of my nose from the comedic value of that question. About the "poof" comment. I doubt that was said verbatim, but take a look at what the 1994 AWB did for crime.. NADA CABRON! People that commit crimes arent worried about some shrivled up anti-gun law maker (Feinstein) who says certain firearms are illegal. If you want to hinder these kinds of things from happening you need to somehow find a way to take guns out of the hands of criminals. When people say, "Why does anyone need an Assault Weapon?" I do a few things: 1st) I ask if they know what an AW is. 2nd) I ask why does anyone need a vehicle that goes over 70mph? 3rd) I tell them, if someone wants to potentially do me harm, I want the upper-hand in a gunfight. All of these "feel good, let's ban these guns for the children laws" arent going to stop a bad guy from keeping his gun. Any more questions?
Alvin Mabuhay January 25, 2013 at 05:10 AM
Christian-hate to crush your point (not really) but in answer to your question about my perspective: I am a retired police officer who worked in West Contra County for over 25 years. One of my duties was that of a crime analyst, so I am intimately familiar and knowledgeable of what I speak. But then, don't let facts,statistics and experience get in the way of your argument. When I wrote, "What a surprise" that may have sounded offensive to some, but most people in El Cerrito are just plain tired and fed up with the pervasive criminal element from bordering cities that victimize its community. You want a solution? I have a great one. Stop populating our schools with kids from Richmond. That would result in a huge reduction of daytime crime in El Cerrito, especially during commute hours. This would also greatly reduce the crime and problems at the El Cerrito Plaza, at the two BART Stations and sporting events. It also will never happen-but you asked.
Alvin Mabuhay January 25, 2013 at 05:21 AM
Additionally Christian, this is a public forum message thread. Some people lend ideas and offer solutions, others just rant and comment. I was not aware that I or anyone else was tasked with problem solving. If YOU feel compelled to lend your ideas and offer solutions, feel free, but there is no litmus test here in order to participate.
Sherry Drobner January 25, 2013 at 06:57 AM
Do we agree that guns in the hands of those who want to do harm to others is wrong? This doesn't have to evolve into an argument about our 2nd amendment rights. Do we agree that public space should be safe? This doesn't have to be a condemnation on those who don't have the proper sense to avoid the Greenway after school. Do we agree that we want our teens, and all teens to be safe? If we do, why not have a dialogue about this, without trying to find the one thing to blame. If we can agree that we don't support violence on the Greenway, and that we want to protect all residents, young and old, I'm sure there are great minds behind all these comments. Perhaps if we put our minds together we can find concrete actions to improve the situation. What can we as a community do?
cintra harbach January 25, 2013 at 01:09 PM
...i am so sorrie this has affected your family...i was deeplie affected, as i teach at a school near the shooting...had to lock my middle schoolers in & remain calm...i am still feeling shaken by the experience...i hope your nephew does well w/his recovery.
K Murphy January 25, 2013 at 04:04 PM
Were there supposed to be cameras installed on the path? This is also via a google search, a reprint from BART news: Published Monday, August 14, 2006, by the Contra Costa Times Camera system sought for trail EL CERRITO: Officials have funding for surveillance of Ohlone Greenway; no date set for installation By Steve Heisler East Bay Daily News Surveillance cameras will monitor the El Cerrito portion of the Ohlone Greenway if police and parks officials can find the proper operating system. A $350,000 Safe Route to Transit grant has paved the way for the cameras that will soon be installed along the 2-1/2-mile paved trail, said Melanie Mintz, an environmental analyst with El Cerrito. Mintz said the funds come from a regional Measure 2 designed to allow people to walk or bike with ease. The cameras should be a deterrent to crime, she said. "It's not something we can screw up," he said. "So there's a definite desire to make the correct choice the first time around."
Jen Daly January 25, 2013 at 10:46 PM
The accounts I've seen suggest that both the perpetrators and the victims in this incident were teens. In addition to better policing along the Greenway--which seems like it's becoming an ever more pressing issue--how we can create more attractive options for teens after school in this area? Are there attractive and safe options teens can walk to from AHS and ECHS? If not can we create them? Or promote the ones that exist better among kids? Even if these would-be murderers are now past most hope, not too long ago they were probably teetering on the edge...and there are ranks of younger kids coming up behind them. And then there are the victims, hanging around down under the BART tracks on a day when school got out at noon...there has to be a better choice than that. I'm not sure what options would both attract the kids and be supported by neighbors--but it's something to talk about.
God January 26, 2013 at 01:53 AM
How about having our taxes go to something like oh hmmmm...more law enforcement to patrol the streets instead of to people that abuse welfare.
Mary Wives January 26, 2013 at 08:17 PM
Oh God!


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