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Should Gang-Related Nikes Get Banned?

Readers have questioned whether the shoes worn by the boys shot in El Cerrito's BART path on Wednesday were a Nike shoe brand affiliated with gangs and have commented that they should be banned.

In wake of the Wednesday's BART path shooting where two teen boys from Albany High School were shot by two young men along El Cerrito's Ohlone Greenway, readers have questioned whether the attack was over a pair of gang-related shoes.

Albany High Principal Ted Barone sent out a letter to the community after the shooting that said: "What we understand is that they were approached by two men who asked about their shoes."

while the other teen suffered injuries that appeared to be superficial, according to El Cerrito police.

A reader commented saying, "two boys were shot on Monday, in a 'nice neighborhood' in Brentwood, because they were wearing Nike Cortez shoes." The reader said these shoes are symbols of gang affiliation.

The Contra Costa Times reports that a car had pulled up and a passenger asked about the boy's Nike Cortezes, claiming "Gang members like to wear those." The car opened fire among the boys shortly after.

The reader said there are various gang emblems, colors, and other markings that are now being sold by sports clothing stores.

"There is a whole industry now marketing gang-only clothing, with extremely subtle markings, in even the most upscale places," the reader added.

Another reader commented on El Cerrito Patch's Facebook page: "We need to ban gang shoes from [El Cerrito] and Albany."

What do you think about these gang-related shoes and articles of clothing?

Have you seen any that you were able to identify?

Do they need to be banned at schools?

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upptick January 25, 2013 at 11:36 pm
Jesus what sheep, people who think shoes are the problem...
Liz Engan January 26, 2013 at 12:17 am
I have to say I have no idea what constitutes "gang wear" and I'm not at all sure I would know where to go for accurate information in order to protect my kids. However, I think banning particular brands or colors doesn't solve the problem, and I'm sure styles worn by gang members change like styles everywhere else.
CJ January 26, 2013 at 12:34 am
I think this article starts out misleading as this is all speculation -- all we know is it had something to do with shoes and based on two readers' comments the question is now "Should these shoes be banned?" Jumping to conclusions pretty quickly here.
John Stashik January 26, 2013 at 12:55 am
While the Patch headlines shoes, and El Cerrito residents fret about a shooting, life and crime goes on. More of the same every day. Armed robberies, assaults, thefts, home burglaries some with home invasions. Two Oakland cops shot this week alone. It is a war zone out there. Police cannot be everywhere at once. ECPD does an amazing job every day, with nonstop calls for service too. People should expect the worst as long as a certain people embrace the thug culture. Sad times, but one needs to be proactive and careful when out and about.
Ken January 26, 2013 at 01:53 am
Ban stupidity!
While the incident is obviously a scary occurrence and everyone agrees that it's a awful thing (and hoping for the best for the victims), suggesting some kind of "ban" on clothing is patently absurd. Who would "ban" the shoes - Nike? People can just choose to not wear certain clothing, drive certain cars, etc. Jeez, are some Albany residents really that naive? I really wonder after reading some of the irrational comments on Patch this past year and of course finding out how a number of residents fell for the "megamall" Whole Foods argument/shenanigans.
Jack Osborne January 26, 2013 at 01:55 am
What a humorous, and yet pathetic, concept. Banning styles of shoes? Really? Sounds like something someone thought of after a few too many alcoholic beverages.
Ban some styles of clothing, and others will be quickly adopted. How about a law against wearing pants with the waistband below the hips? How about banning red and blue bandanas, or anything else that's red or blue? And what happens when, as has been the case in so many places in the US, the gangs simply identify with a particular sports team? Let's face it, banning clothing styles makes far less sense than enforcing existing gun laws and extending restrictions to ammunition. And we know how far *those* ideas have gone so far ...
bill January 26, 2013 at 02:48 am
even kids who aren't IN gangs wear gang associated clothes and shoes, because in our depraved society and "culture", gangs are cool. Looking like a gangbanger or recent parolee with sagging pants and cheap tatoos is considered stylish by the less sophisticated members of our society; the lower 70%.
A. Quartz January 26, 2013 at 04:06 am
What were the kids doing under the BART tracks? I hope the hospital ran a
tox-screen on them. I would bet they were smoking pot. I know we will never get the truth due to the fact they are u18. however I strongly believe they were smoking or looking to score. A lot of the young Albany kids and the illegal students seem to embrace this gang life style. So if it walks like duck and quacks like a duck then it must be a duck. It was a good lesson to learn. They are alive & are able to change they way they act/dress
sheryl crater January 26, 2013 at 04:24 am
And you can speask about these kids. Someone who does not even know them. Instead of focusing what they may have been doing other than walking from fom school, why don't you focus your attention to the shooters and that it may have been your child or a friend"s child and that they wanted to take something from them. People like you are so judmental
bill January 26, 2013 at 04:59 am
There really aren't many random shootings; they are mostly gang or drug related, and a few are domestic violence. If you play the odds, then it was likely the kids were doing one or the other or both. Or as I mentioned above, had decided to dress like gangbangers even if they were not.
steve January 26, 2013 at 01:02 pm
Some reviews seem to be very insensitive. Some are ignorant. Instead of focusing on the negative.
let's continue to focus on the positive of the many kids who contribute good to all of society. It is evident this is not a isolated incident. Rich or poor, regardless of your ethnicity, even adults can be mistaken as Gang member. Gangs and violence are everywhere in our society. Everyone must ask himself or herself am I a part of the solution or a part of the problem. It is not Nikes fault that negative people and positive people like shoes. They are just selling a product people buy. If I don't like a shoe I do not it.
Jack Osborne January 26, 2013 at 01:37 pm
Two real-life incidents to illustrate the point.
I was living in a town about 10 years ago where a guy in his 40's was shot dead because he was wearing clothing from a particular sports team. Problem is, his sister and her kids lived in a neighborhood that was turf to a gang who wore clothes from that team's division rivals. The victim had no gang affiliations, and no criminal record. A number of years ago, having just moved to CA, I was at the Santa Cruz beach boardwalk with friends. It was a hot day, so I did what I'd done so many times before - I pulled out a (red) bandana and wrapped it over my head. After about 30 seconds a pair of cops stopped me, looking at me like I was an idiot, and told me to "take the red rag off, sir." One of my friends realized what was going on and after I pulled the bandana off and stuck it in my pocket, he asked, "Haven't you ever heard of that's a gang symbol?"
steve January 26, 2013 at 01:48 pm
Great example, I am an adult and I like the color red. I'm a hardworking decent adult with no gang affiliation.
Jeff Lichtman January 26, 2013 at 03:32 pm
How do we know that gangs were involved in this incident? All we know is that shoes were involved somehow.
It bothers me that people leave comments treating speculation as fact. It bothers me more that The Patch validates this by writing articles based on the speculation, and cites an incident in a different city as support. Do the editors of The Patch have any journalistic standards? Or are they just interested in increasing readership by whipping up people's fears and spreading rumors? Charles Burress recently stepped down as the editor of El Cerrito Patch. I don't remember anything this low happening under his leadership.
Fele January 26, 2013 at 04:09 pm
I attend El Cerrito HS and I know the person that was shot and is in critical condition (he had attended Portola and ECHS for a while I'm a freshmen) this was not over gang related shoes.That is stupid to assume but only adults would think that. They wanted to try to steal his shoes. The shoes were most likely jordan bred 11 search them on google and ebay and you'll see why some no good person would want to take them. Me being a African-American male at 14 years of age knows this there are no gang related shoes in richmond, and el cerrito only hats. So calm down adults and don't make stupid articles like this!!!!
Stewart Gooderman January 26, 2013 at 06:36 pm
Fele, thank you for having the courage to educate us adults. I wish more would do the same. Good decisions only come from knowledge, not ignorance. And that's why you are being educated. But this type of knowledge is not found in books, or in newspapers. Only you and your peers know it. So, in order for us to make good decisions, *you* have to educate us.
Kathy A. January 26, 2013 at 08:32 pm
Fele, thank you for speaking up. I hope your friend is recovering well. Please let him know that a lot of people are thinking of him.
I'm also thinking of you, and all the other students. You all are our future; the students in our community are our kids. Nobody deserves to get shot -- over shoes, or in an argument, or for any other senseless reason. It scares me when that happens, and it must be very frightening and upsetting to you and your friends. I'm very interested in what students think about how to make things safer. Take care, Kathy
Ross Stapleton-Gray January 27, 2013 at 05:27 am
Like, um, what hats to avoid wearing!
vali denni January 27, 2013 at 01:27 pm
Jeff, I couldn't agree more. I have never commented before on Patch, but I am driven now, by this example of horrible journalism. The headline is scare journalism to get clicks. A cheap shot with real consequences. It has no relevance, as defended by reporting, which is the crux of journalism. Where was the reporting, the interviewing of students at schools near the path or the digging deeper with the police and school officials, to get facts? Oh Patch "journalists," ask kids familiar with the situation and you will learn there is no gang connection. Oh, but you failed to do this. You insinuate something completely different. You drummed up a scare tactic to advance your business model. This is fear mongering of the worst kind. Have you really become this?
tr January 27, 2013 at 05:23 pm
modern day "journalism" aint what it twas last century. patch is what it is... imho more of a virtual water cooler with ads. some useful info, lots of bad comments, arbitrary censorship, but it's kind of like a car accident that i can't help looking at.
steve January 28, 2013 at 12:47 am
Yes Fele, you are correct. some readers or writers like a lot of hype. keep being a good student and continue to make a positive impact on this sometimes insensitive Society. And not all adults think this is gang related and neither am I suggesting that it was. what is so disturbing about this is people keep losing sight of the fact that three innocent young people were affected by this senseless act of violence.
ECFamily January 28, 2013 at 01:46 am
Not sure where this fits in, but I spoke to some folks a few days ago who know the victims and they report that the Albany students had arranged to meet the assailants, to BUY a pair of Nike shoes. It was a sale gone bad (just like the recent Craigslist car arrangements in Albany, where the victims arranged to meet and buy a car, and then had their money stolen). When the assailants showed the Albany boys their gun, the Albany boys took off running and were shot. Does not sound gang related at all, nor does it sound like it had anything to do with targeting shoes to steal. It sounds like a very similar scam to the car selling scheme a few months ago. Hope those boys got a good, long look at their attackers and can provide info to the police. If it was a sale, they should have some sort of contact information or something to share with the authorities.
Robert Smith January 28, 2013 at 04:00 pm
Judgemental...and smart. If a thug approaches you and asks you questions....don't argue...that's smart.
Robert Smith January 28, 2013 at 04:04 pm
Uh...yeah. Don't wear your $10,000 Rolex to school, or argue with some guy who wants your shoes...give him the bleepin shoes. And next time buy some less flashy footwear-jewelry-etc., or keep the diamonds on the soles of your shoes.
Dover January 28, 2013 at 04:05 pm
"People like you are so judmental" = judgment.
Robert Smith January 28, 2013 at 04:15 pm
Here is some hat-code reading material: http://www.adolescentmind.com/Gang%20Pages/gang_hats.htm
Dorothy Coakley January 28, 2013 at 07:22 pm
Though I very much dislike the recent trend to sensationalize Patch headlines or do "polls" on controversial topics, I would like to observe that this reader-generated "thread" has given us a lot of different (and meaningful) observations. So...kudos to all of you for your thought provoking comments! Long live the online village!
1314 Street Skool January 29, 2013 at 05:42 am
This is actually a very important topic! No teenager should wear certain colors (esp.red and blue) in certain accessories- UNLESS they represent a gang or are up/down for getting hit up. It is not safe to wear red or blue, as a youth, just because you like those colors. That is the botttom line. As an adult, it's not as risky-though it's NOT risk-free. If you are a parent of a young person- you need to get educated and get involved. - a former gang counselor..There are many online gang education tutorials...
1314 Street Skool January 29, 2013 at 06:02 am
Addendum: Colors are seen as gang-related in certain accessores, but other clothing could be seen as gang-related, too.
QUESTIONS 4 U: Are young people in El Cerrito ( ages..approx 9 and up) feeling a false sense of safety to wear any colors/clothing- without regard to how it might be seen by others who are gang-involved? Are there enough gang education forums for parents/residents? Are there dress codes/color codes in the schools in El Cerrito?
pedrito January 31, 2013 at 07:50 pm
Maybe the nudity advocates in San Francisco have something - unless, of course, the shade of your skin can also be mistaken as a gang color!
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G.C. June 15, 2013 at 08:43 am
Of course. Read the following about Assemblyman John Perez and his disdain for transparency.Read More http://ronkayela.com/2011/09/speaker-john-perez-to-the-pres.html
Ira Sharenow June 12, 2013 at 07:44 pm
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G.C. June 13, 2013 at 07:15 am
The WCCUSD needs to hear what thoughts citizens have on this matter. Currently, the WCCUSD boardRead More meetings have placed the Public Comment period late in the meeting, making it difficult for folks to comment. I have started a petition for modifying the agenda. http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/let-us-speak-wccusd/ In Hercules, we are still awaiting a correction to the taxation process, that apparently we are due a higher percentage as explained by Councilman Romero here http://pinole-hercules.patch.com/groups/opinion/p/2012-hercules-dan-romero Wouldn't it be ironic if Mr. Ramsey get's his wish before the citizens of Hercules get theirs?
Michael O'Connor June 14, 2013 at 08:34 am
Milton, your calm and reserved opinions certainly would serve you well in a leadership role.
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